important notice to the regular folk

[hayato]

FEAR & RESPECT ADMINS

If you see an admin say something with admin chat....DON'T IGNORE IT.

they say it for a reason whether it be about certain rules, map changes or whatever.

don't start making up your own rules then telling the admins that you saw someone else say it.

don't tell an admin how they should be doing their job and don't talk back to them about how they do their job.

i'm seeing a lot of you people do this when admins are saying something important and you just ignore the message.

[preditorian]

Word.

[sangwooT]

i got frozen once when i was camping on italy w. the hosties. can i talk back then?

[Edco]

Only when im on the server.

Edco

[mattthestoned]

Spoken Like A True wise man, Respect and fear the admins

[hayato]

i hope that a lot of people read and remember this...especially when edco comes into the server and starts talking....

hate having to repeat something that edco just said because anything and everything he says is important

listen i will come find where you live and stick needles in your eyes if you choose to ignore admin messages....

have a good day

[sangwooT]

kinda tired of admins using their powers w.o any just cause

in a version of assault i was switched from t to ct jus cause the admin wanted to be on the terrorist side.
usually i jus auto assign teams .. dont really care which team im on but when im switched jus to boost his score and ego or what not it gets under my skin. when i first seen that top 5 get admin i was kinda prepared for noobs w. power but i keep getting on the bad end of it.
what can i do besides vent? prolly nothing.

[brizz]

If you see an admin just swapping for no reason post it here and their name. I swap as I see fit. If one team cant win and I may even swap players to even the teams.

[preditorian]

Admins have rules too, get name.

[jerkyboy]

sangwoot said:

what can i do besides vent? prolly nothing.

Please do post the admins name next time you see it happen. The person(s) will be dealt with when I find out who it is that's doin it.

Venting gives us insight on how the servers running, so vent away.

[mattthestoned]

I am the one who switched him on assualt_new2005 but not just let me be T , teams were unevenly stacked with ct players having scores like 7-0 and the T's having scores of 0-3

[sangwooT]

sorry matt but as i recall the map jus started and everyone was joining the server. i remember i was about to knife you from behind in the open by the red container in the pistol (or 2nd) round but i jumbled my mouse button (my knife is middle mouse).

even if it was in the middle of the game you stated 'cause i wanted to be t'. hayato mentioned you were 'bad matt .. no dinner for you' and you jus replied 'im eating pizza atm lol'.

sorry no screen shot but i didnt think id have to take it this far

but then i did get heated and mentioned that you were an not a very nice person a couple of times. kinda under a lil stress lately even tho thats no excuse. my apologizes

edit *word filter .. a-hole

[farcus]

for the reals

[zep]

Actually, this kind of behavior happens more often than you might think.

I know of 3 admins that use the team-swap ability on themselves and you know what, that's the problem right there. If an admin rule is put into place which disallows them to change teams for themselves then most of this goes away instantly.

Also, this team-balancing is getting a little to constant so I'm going to make a post about that & hopefully bring it to the forefront for people's attention.

[looterkfm]

This server has had a long history of keeping the teams stacked. A long time ago we had a rule that said "If one team is up by more then 5 (Or 7, can't remeber) then the top player must switch. This did a lot to stop stacking. Even if the team with that one magical top player always won, each team had a fair share of glory at that players hand.

With the addition of new maps, different admins and the disregarding of this rule, stacking has gotten way our of hand. It is of the opinion of most of the admins that this needs to end immediately. This is going to involve changing players attitudes about 'winning at all costs.' This is no hypothetical statement. It will happen, just like it did a long time ago with the top player switch rule.

I have already started laying the hammer down on people who intentionally stack. I am not unfair, I inform you first, and most people comply. But there are a select few who not only ignore me, but question my judgment. I usually proceed to explain the judgment and compliance follows after. My patience is running thin for people who question my judgment and then insult me with the "You just want to be on the winning team," or "You banned the awp because I shot you,"* or my favorite "f**k you, abusing f*g**t."

Disregarding the play of 16 other people, nulling their ability to compete fairly and have fun, is heinous enough. That in of it's self is an offense that I, and all other dutiful admins, will pregnant dog slap you in the girl thingy for. But refusing to allow those 16 to have fun on the grounds of 'I own' then insulting the admin staff, questioning their decision, needs to stop. Now.


*There is large debate over the awp, but there is no question that a skilled awper can turn the tide of a battle, or lock an enemy team in defeat. This is why it often gets vote restricted (Note that I do not flat out rcon-restrict it. Even though it is well within my powers.) by me. This is to afford the loosing team a comfort zone from an enemy team who has a particularly skilled awper racking up a large percentage of round-by-round frags.

"pregnant dog slap you in the girl thingy." Thank you word filter, I thought my statement was powerful with the vulgar words. Now it transcends being powerful, now it is a Greek God of might and force dictating tone using rhetoric to donkey punch my reader into understanding my point.

[tofast4u]

i totally agree

[zep]

The answer isn’t more control, the answer is automating that control. Use ETB for team-balancing. Then there is no question. The admins should represent authority & leadership. I want someone to protect me from annoying people that spam & hackers. I also want fair teamplay and someone to show leadership and teach new players. An Admin is like a boss. A boss is a leader & has authority. What if your boss sent you home for an offense? I suppose that would be okay if it were a pretty serious offense, but for most of the things that you might do at work you will expect your boss to be a responsible leader to you & exercise his authority with care for your best interests. I think admins should feel the same way and I particularly like the wise admins who use their power intermittently when it is required, not every 5 seconds just so that no one on the server can possibly forget who the admin is.


I'd like to take a moment to respond to looterkfm's post. Now to be fair, I don't know looterkfm or I don't know him by that name. All I know is what I've read in the one post. So if I have that person's motivations wrong, then I apologize up front. Yet understand that it is my sense of responsibility to the majority of the players (myself being one of them) to ask admins to consider if they might be part of the problem so that together, players and admins can be part of the solution.


Quote by looterkfm -> “I have already started laying the hammer down on people who intentionally stack. I am not unfair, I inform you first, and most people comply.”

That’s good that you inform people first. But it is bad that you ‘have already started laying the hammer down on people’. It shows the mercilessness of tyranny.

Quote by looterkfm -> “But there are a select few who not only ignore me, but question my judgment.
I usually proceed to explain the judgment and compliance follows after.
My patience is running thin for people who question my judgment and then insult me”

As you yourself say, it is a select few; a minority which offends you. Why become callous to the many who respect authority.

[looterkfm]

Since you don't know me I feel some background is nessicary for you to understand me. I am Ra-Ra? Ollin! In-game. I was a CAL-Firearms admin for two years, in charge of post-match disputes. Firearms was a relatively backwater leg of the CA League, but that means I was known on a personal level by the people I dealt with. I am no random scrub given the admin console and told to go. I weigh all of my decisions on many axis. How will this affect the server/players? Is my bias a determining factor? Is my bias being a determining factor a problem? Does it need to be done? Those are a few of the questions I usually run though my head before I do anything.
If you were to look at my decisions from a third point, some may seem unfair. The awp/auto vote restrict is a common misconception. If I throw a vote, it's because I think it's unballancing the teams. Not because I got shot by it. Also, I threw up a vote. I didn't just restrict it off the bat, like I can do. I have a LOT of power as one of the higher tier admins, but I rarely do anything beyond banning a cheater, muting a disruptive player, or voting the awp.
As a player I think you have some misconceptions about the full function of an admin. They should be tyrants by definition. They have a set of rules that they MUST enforce, at all costs. Even if they do not agree. Personally, I don't care about gay porn in sprays, but Edco does. So if I see someone plastering buttsex all over the place, ignoring the rules and me as an admin telling him to stop. I have no choice to remove him. Even though I don't support the rule, I still enforce it. Much like a soldier, I have to follow an order given to me.
I can understand most players distain towards admins. There are a lot of outright bad admins. Ones that use it for personal purposes. Switching their own team to win, kicking a player who is better then them. Those are a few examples, but I know these burn players hairs every time they happen. I also do my best to stop it. I am one of the very few who didn't get my admin from top5, so it is my place to do so.

Now I actually reply to your post. Admin's aren't leaders. A good admin is a ghost, until there is a problem. I always join the server under alias, so no one knows an admin has joined, and thusly ends their behavior. This allows me to catch people in the act, and administer a regulation. This brings me to my second point: Each punishment is a different level of severity. For every thing you think is a horrible punishment, I can think of two that are twice as bad. How about switching you to spectator JUST before you get a kill? Setting your health to 1 before a round starts? Erasing your XP? Setting all WC skills you use to mirror onto your self? Unbinding your keys? All of these things can be done, but none of them are. A few minutes in the temp-ban box for skywalking, or me slaying you isn't so bad when you look at the possibilities.
The most important thing to remember about admins is that "When the admin console is open, they are not you friend."

Edit, I forgot to mention ETB doesn't work.

I need to stop with the huge posts and just write crap like "LOLLOLOL U R TEH GAY!" Life would be so much easier.

[zep]

Thank you for your reply. I'm glad that you took the time to write it out. And your example about joining with a psuedo-name is akin to an undercover sting operation. In fact, you're absolutely right, this isn't about leaders or bosses at all is it? It's about police authority. Admins are much more like cops than anything else.

Nevertheless, in the end, it still makes sense that a cop shouldn't use his position for personal gain but rather the good of the entire server. I certainly wouldn't want a cop waiting down my street every day watching me drive by & pulling me over if his radar showed 26mph in a 25mph zone.

I think you're right when you say that the best admin is the ghost or the admin you don't even know is there. *THAT* is what I've really been trying to say all along. We have a few admins that are constantly using the green-speak, constantly swapping team members, and constantly making me & other players feel watched. Now, watching isn't bad & it doesn't hurt; but players are disappearing & I'm hearing that they got banned for hacks. But there are no demos to speak of. The "Report a Hacker" is the smallest forum on this website. People are just disappearing without a trace.

I'd say that 99% of the time when there isn't an admin on that there isn't a problem. In fact, I'd say that most of the problems with this server are because there are admins on. That's my point. People behave quite well here. And I do better when admins aren't around too. I don't know where these people are disappearing too, but I'm afraid to play to my best ability because our admins are becoming to brazen and shooting from the hip with the ban gun, and then there are no demos, no proof, nothing.

Remove all the admins & this place is safer & more fun. That's because there aren't alot of rules for admins & most admins corrupt themselves quickly because there is no documentation here about how they should act. An admin is a great priviledge. There should be something to sign so that they are responsible & without excuse should they still become corrupted.

The admins here aren't horrible. But this server has been known for good admins & that reputation is slipping because of some new admins that you have now.

[jerkyboy]

Let me jump in here and throw out a few things.

First off, Admins Do have to abide by certain rules. These are written down in the Admin Only Forum, which is why you haven't seen them.

As for you playing to your ability, go for it! Just cause an admin is in the server playing when you are, shouldn't make things any different for you. Regular admins can only Temp Ban people for a Max of 2 hours, and a demo is Required if they do so. There's 2 people that Perma Ban, they are Edco and Jerky. Neither Edco or Myself will Perma Ban if there's dout at all. We review many demos on a regular basis and ban very few from them. If Edco or Myself are in the game and Perma Ban someone, we usually don't get demos for oursleves. We are human (maybe not Edco), and we may make a mistake, but I will tell you we make very few when it comes to banning! Both Edco and Myself have played Counter Strike for many years now, and still love it.

The server is changing as we speak. We are always trying to make things better and keep things fair. If anyone feels they need to discuss and issue you might have and don't want to post it, PM Edco or Jerky. We will look into your issue and take care of the problem or issue as quickly as we can. Please keep in mind, we both have jobs and families, we try to respond as fast as we can.

Every response is taken into consideration into what and how the server is changing in the days to come.

So Thank You All for the comments, good or bad.

[hayato]

and just a response to your earlier post...an admin swapping themselves <---that should only happen if they are on the winning team. so if you see them swapping themselves it most likely is them swapping to the losing team because they cant do it the normal way ---team size is too big. the admins SHOULD follow the rules, but sometimes they can be a bit hasty and go overboard...hey they are only human..so you just gotta understand that sometimes mishaps or misunderstandings happen.

demos go straight to edco/jerky - admins dont post about hackers in the post a hacker forum....thats for regular people to post if they see a hacker. admins report straight to edco or jerky when it comes to hackers and no one other than the admins know about it.

most admins do something for a reason....there should be no i did it just because. so just trust that the admin had a valid reason...if you still think its too much then take SS of the problem and tell edco or jerky.

and like jerky said...there are rules for everyone that plays on the server...yes theres even one for edco and jerky ....just because you dont know about the rules that are set for everyone doesnt mean you can go ahead and start accusing people of abusing or being corrupted. edco and jerky keep an eye on each admin...they dont even have to be there because they can easily see what each admin does.

don't worry too much about what the admins are doing and just have fun....trust me when i say this....if theres problems with an admin....they will deal with it immediately